Episode 7

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10th Jan 2022

7. Web 3 Developers, Walmart VR Shopping, Metaverse Wearables

In this episode, web 3 and crypto developer numbers growing in 2021, 2017 Walmart VR proving the metaverse has been around for a while, InWith Corporation unveiling contact lenses that let you seamlessly transition between real life and the metaverse, and so much more!

Episode 7 Keywords: 2021 web 3 development ecosystem, Walmart VR shopping, InWith Corporation Metaverse wearables, Metaverse contact lenses

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Welcome to the metaphysics podcast. The Metaverse and web three are bringing about the

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biggest revolution since the internet itself. With your hosts Paul the prophet Dawalibi And Jeff the

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juice Cohen. We will be bringing you the latest Metaverse, business news and insight into what it

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all means. The meta business podcast starts now.

Paul Dawalibi:

From the boardroom to the metaverse. This is the meta business podcast. I am

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Paul Dawalibi. I'm joined today by my friend co host, Jeff, the juice Cohen. For those of you who

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are new to the podcast welcome. What we do here is we cover the most pressing, Metaverse, news and

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topics of the week. But we look at all of it through a business and C suite lens, we dissect,

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we analyze the implications of everything happening in the metaverse sector. For our

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returning listeners. Thank you guys for tuning in every week. I know we're just This is Episode

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Seven. We're just a few episodes in here. But we really appreciate it. If you guys have gone to

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will surface to the top of the list and others will discover the podcast. So Jeff, how you doing

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this week

Jeff Cohen:

doing good first podcast of the new year. So excited to get going. I think we have a

Jeff Cohen:

lot to live up to. I mean, we both agreed that our last episode was our best one yet. So we'll see if

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we can keep the momentum going. Or if that was just you know, a one time thing and never hit hit

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those highs again, like we peaked like journey. one hit wonder

Paul Dawalibi:

that's true. I you know, I keep forgetting I've done a few shows now. And I keep

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forgetting to wish our listeners a happy new year. But it's because it's all just kind of melded into

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like the end of the year in the new year. We we didn't stop we didn't take a break, we keep

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putting out episodes, rain or shine holiday or not New Year or not. You guys can always expect to get

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a metal business podcast episode. So let's jump into it. Jeff, we have, we have a good number of

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stories here that I really want to get to. And and I really like this first one, it's very different

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from anything we've sort of talked about so far. And the headline here is what's the healthiest

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chart in crypto, the developer account. And this is an article that was from coin desk. And it says

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here an annual report from venture firm electric capital says the total number of new developers

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jumping on the blockchain in 2021 broke previous highs. I'm going to scroll down here. This is all

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the number of web three monthly active developers since 2009. If you see this chart, obviously,

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we've seen huge increases in the last year. But that's a 75% increase since January 2021. To

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today, so in the last year, and almost 8000 new monthly active developers operating in the web

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three space. I mean, what's the what's the takeaway for you here? Jeff, what do you sort of?

Paul Dawalibi:

So when you look at this, what do you conclude?

Jeff Cohen:

There's a couple of interesting things here. One, if you you know, can you pull it back

Jeff Cohen:

up? Ah, yeah, sorry. So I guess for you guys not looking at it, it'd be worth you know, checking

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out. It's interesting how the chart really it plateaus for basically two years. So what the

Jeff Cohen:

chart looks like you see typical exponential growth basically from you know, the beginning of

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Bitcoin or blockchain kind of coming out until January 2018. And then from January 2018, to

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basically January 2020. So for two full years, the chart like, essentially plateaus. And so the

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number of developers developing kind of these web three blockchain type apps was basically flat for

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two plus years. And then it goes vertical, again, which is very interesting. I guess it probably,

Jeff Cohen:

you know, if you look at the chart versus the price of Bitcoin or Aetherium, you'll probably see

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I'm sure, between 2018 and 2020. You know, that was kind of the crypto winter where you had a lot

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of these things getting crushed, you know, after what was the early height. So that's my one

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takeaway. Just looking at the chart visually. Takeaway. Number two, obviously, more developers

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is great. You know, that that's just should be a given. The more developers we see adopting this

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technology, the better that is for the ecosystem, the more likely we do get we get better apps and

Jeff Cohen:

better games, better technologies. That's great for everyone. And then the third takeaway I have

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is, it's crazy how low this number is. And I saw someone pointed this out on Twitter, probably it

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was with the same chart. But if I'm reading this correctly, it's basically saying there are only

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20,000. Developers for web three on Yeah, total. Yeah, that so there are more developers on that

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work at Apple. Amazon or Facebook, then the entirety of web three. So what that means to me

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is, number one, we still are very early in this game. And to these people are about to make a ton

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of money because there are going to be in high demand with every company, pivoting to the

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metaverse and having a metaphor strategy, you want to be one of these 20,000 people. And if you're

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not one of these 20,000 people, you probably want to learn the skill set, because that is going to

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be in high demand. So those are my three, you know, I didn't look at this chart before we talked

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about it. So those are my three hot takes.

Paul Dawalibi:

I love it. I think it's super insightful. I don't know how hot it is. Because I

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do. I couldn't agree more. Right? Like, I think this is such a leading indicator. And it's like

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classic for old tech folks. Like classic Steve Ballmer moment, you guys, I don't know if you

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remember. There's this sort of video of him on stage yelling developers, developers, developers,

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and like some Microsoft conference. And, you know, it was kind of a silly video. But a big core of

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you know, Microsoft strategy at the time was, you know, cording developers to, to write for

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Microsoft Windows and build, you know, applications on top of windows and sort of this

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philosophy that the more developers that support your platform, the healthier the whole ecosystem

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is going to be. So like, translated to this, this is great news, right, seeing 75% growth in a year

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of the developers who are building web three stuff means hugely promising future means, you know,

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call it a leading indicator. Everyone's extremely bullish, right. That's kind of obvious. I think,

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to your point, though, and this is where I think you were super insightful. It's not too late.

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Right? Like, you're not too late to this, whether you're a developer, whether you're an investor,

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whether you're just you know, professional working in some other business, you are so early to this,

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right? If you're looking at the metaverse space right now, or web three, and going, hey, you know,

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what do I want to do here? What can I do? Where can I go work? First of all, the options are

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basically endless. Second of all, you haven't missed the boat at all, like, not even close,

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because to your point. I mean, Facebook said they're hiring 10,000 People just for their new

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Metaverse initiatives, you got to assume a lot of those are going to be developers, right? Even if

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half, only half of them are developers 5000 on a current base of 18,000. Right, like, you're gonna

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you're going to see huge numbers as a percentage basis coming into the ecosystem. So definitely not

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too early I, I really like seeing this kind of thing, because it's the kind of metric that most

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people pay no attention to write, but is extremely telling of the health of a trend or the health of

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some future, you know, outcome. It's one of those things that you just don't try, like, everyone

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talks about the billions of dollars flowing into the space. But I think even more telling than that

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are the number of developers who are operating and building stuff. They're

Jeff Cohen:

absolutely, you know, 100%. Let's,

Paul Dawalibi:

let's talk about there was much more to talk about there. I just think it was

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important for us to highlight for for our listeners, let's talk about Walmart. The second

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story here, I think was super again, kind of interesting. In terms of the headline. The

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headline was that Walmart VR shopping video is old news. But so is the metaverse. This is from the

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verge. And they're referencing a clip from 2017. And it says it shows how aged the metaverse

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already is. And you know in this video, it's supposedly how Walmart envisions shopping in the

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metaverse. So you have this virtual avatar, browsing shelves of virtual groceries, they you

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know, they they put the items into the shopping cart. And, you know, it says responses to the clip

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I'm reading directly from the article here. responses to the clip have been suitably mocking

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criticizing the VR experience for its pointless skeuomorphism and outdated visuals. And it is four

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years old. To be fair. It was shown at South by Southwest, which is a huge tech conference, tech

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and entertainment or media conference. But what do you think of sort of the second part of this?

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Jeff, let me ask two questions. One, you know, is there any part of this Walmart Metaverse that you

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think four years later was super, you know, ahead of its time, like, like, like they were Oracle's

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and second of all,

Jeff Cohen:

so I'll give them some credit that the fact that they were putting out a video about the

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metaverse in 2017 makes them shockingly like somewhat, pretty early, especially for a big

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company. That's not what you would call tech, particularly tech savvy. So give them some credit

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for that. Having said that, I do like this has now resurfaced itself and sort of become a meme. You

Jeff Cohen:

know, now that the metaverse is such a big buzzword, I did watch that video and I was like,

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wow, this is terrible. And even someone who's clearly, you know, bullish enough on the metaverse

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to, you know, co host, a weekly podcast on it. I was thinking to myself, this is this is not good.

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Like my wife saw the video was like, Is that is that the metaverse thing that you all are doing

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the podcast? Like that doesn't seem cool. So I didn't love that I had to explain No, not the

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metaverse, or at least I hope that's not how the metaverse turns out. But it's kind of got me

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thinking like, is it just because it was poorly done? Or is it like, why would anyone need to go

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grocery shopping in the metaverse like, is it just past like that or not something that you would

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need to do in a metaphor? So clearly, it's going to be a worse experience, because there's no

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reason you would have to do that.

Paul Dawalibi:

I mean, those were kind of my two follow up questions, right, which is the one which

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I think we've touched on before, but I think it will be a recurring question of like, does the

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metaverse capital M need to be a one to one like, you know, imitation of the real world? Like,

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because to your point, right? Like, why? Why do we need to go grocery shopping at Walmart in the

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metaverse, right? You could you can do that just fine from a web page, right? Or from a physical

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Walmart. But again, if you don't want to have to go to the physical Walmart, you could you could

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the webpage serves that purpose, right? Like, what is what does a Metaverse do better? Other than

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maybe provide a more, you know, life like like, IRL experience, right? Like it's closer to

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actually going shopping. But from a utility standpoint doesn't seem that much better. The

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second part of my question is, like, is the metaverse already old news, right? The headline

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sort of alludes to this like, Hey, this is not new. Right. This is old news. And I'm curious if

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you

Jeff Cohen:

get the chance to the second question first, I think no, I don't agree that it's another

Jeff Cohen:

is a classic example of something I think we've seen and we've touched on another episodes. The

Jeff Cohen:

the sort of old guard of gaming media is very anti web three blockchain Metaverse, it seems to me and

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so they love putting these click Beatty titles out and kind of punching down and be like, Oh, see, is

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this really what you want for the metaverse see? It's not that great. Like, so I think there is a

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bit of that. We'll call it a boomer kind of old school. Gamer media attitude play here. And it

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works. It's click Beatty, it gets it gets clicked. So I I can appreciate that. On the first question,

Jeff Cohen:

I kind of forgot what your question was. But I wanted to kind of caveat to what I had said about

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why would you want to go grocery shopping in the metaverse do you need to do mundane tasks like

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that? I remember a couple years back when EA put laundry in The Sims people you know at first like

Jeff Cohen:

Well, that's ridiculous. Like why would anyone want to do that? And it actually ended up being

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like a highly requested feature and something that drove a lot of engagement. Which is borderline

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crazy because nobody likes doing laundry in real life. You don't need to do laundry in the

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metaverse. That's one of the benefits of being in a digital world. Your clothes don't get dirty. And

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if they do, you can just you know click a button. You don't need to go do laundry. But it was very

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popular. So to me it's a it says maybe there will be grocery shopping in the metaverse, but it needs

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to be a gamified experience. There isn't people like doing laundry and Sims because it was

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gamified it was part of their their avatar their family, their everyday life. Whereas this was just

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some SXSW thing that they you know, they put up on a screen there was nothing behind it.

Paul Dawalibi:

Is it fair to say that if you are going to imitate real life in the metaverse that

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the fidelity of the experience starts to matter, whereas it might not otherwise. Like, like if

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you're creating a fantasy world, it's not real, like meaning it's not it's not. It's not drawn

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from the real world in any way. Right? It's totally made up. It's totally fantastical. the

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fidelity of the experience matters less than if I'm saying you're going to go to Walmart in the

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metaverse where now, if it doesn't look and feel like a Walmart, if the person you're interacting

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with doesn't look like the greeter at Walmart, right, and the the fidelity, fidelity of the

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experience is super high and the graphics are super high. Right? Like, does it start to matter

Paul Dawalibi:

if if we are replicating real life experiences or is that dude that's a really

Jeff Cohen:

interesting point. I don't know if I can make a blanket fit. But I think your take make

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sense where it's basically like, it needs to be more if it's going to be something realistic. Like

Jeff Cohen:

I'm walking to the gas station or driving a gas station, putting gas in my car like another thing

Jeff Cohen:

like you would think nobody wants to do in the metaverse. It needs to be super realistic where

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I'm like, wow, I really feel like I'm going to the gas station putting gas in my car. Whereas if I'm

Jeff Cohen:

like flying as a dragon and then like blowing fire out of my face like you're like, well doesn't

Jeff Cohen:

necessarily matter that I know I'm in a video game like this is pretty cool. Yeah, I'll buy that.

Jeff Cohen:

I'll buy that.

Paul Dawalibi:

Well, this this is sort of a good tie in with with this next story, which I thought

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was interesting only because it sounds so fantastical and you know, CES is sort of we're in

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the middle of CES now. And we're seeing a lot of sort of announcements for new tech. And the

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headline here this was a press release in with Corp shows off the ultimate Metaverse wearable at

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CES 2022. Like right away that caught my eye obviously, right you you're the one that sent me

Paul Dawalibi:

this story. Ultimate Metaverse wearable. And then the sub headline dropped drew me and even more

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said, electronic contact lens platform could be the ultimate way to view the future metaverse.

Paul Dawalibi:

And, and so, you know, I want to discuss this, Jeff, but I want to frame it in, you know, on the

Paul Dawalibi:

business of esports, which is our sister podcast. We have talked and I've spent a lot of time sort

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of talking about how accessories hardware, for the most part gets largely ignored, right. It's the

Paul Dawalibi:

software and the experiences and the games that people talk about a lot, because that's mostly

Paul Dawalibi:

what we interact with in hardware feels sort of interchangeable to people, right. A mouse is a

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mouse a keyboard, a keyboard, people have preferences, but it doesn't make big news with the

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metaverse. You know, we've talked about how we may see this renaissance in hardware this sort of come

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golden age of hardware that's going to make the metaverse possible. When you see a headline like

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this, what do you think of like soft contact lenses that are going to allow us according to the

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press release, I'll word for word here, enabling easy transition from real world to Metaverse at

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will like is this. Is this marketing? Do you think we're close? Do you think? You know, I'm just

Paul Dawalibi:

curious what your take is on on something that sounds this fantastical?

Jeff Cohen:

My take is? I'm innately skeptical, as I think you probably know so, you know, and maybe

Jeff Cohen:

people who are listening don't know yet. But I am a little skeptical of things. So like, my first

Jeff Cohen:

take is probably something like this is too good to be true. And it's also coming from a press

Jeff Cohen:

release put out by the company. You know, so you have to take that with a grain of salt. This isn't

Jeff Cohen:

someone used it or an article written by a third party press. If this actually is true and works,

Jeff Cohen:

its revolutionary, right? Like this is sort of what we've what we've all been been thinking is

Jeff Cohen:

coming at some point is hey, I'm walking down the street. I have something on my eyes, whether it's

Jeff Cohen:

glasses, lenses contacts seem to be actually be the least invasive. And I could just go into the

Jeff Cohen:

metaverse or or AR Because I am I am we've talked about this in other episodes like I am. I'm a

Jeff Cohen:

believer that there's an AR component to the metaverse where, you know, it might be putting

Jeff Cohen:

digital things into our physical world, not necessarily putting us into a digital world all

Jeff Cohen:

the time. But to me, you know, this press release just screams of a lot of hype, and I not sure I

Jeff Cohen:

believe it.

Paul Dawalibi:

Well, this is the this is one of the photos they had lit. So showing, like a

Paul Dawalibi:

contact lens with essentially circuitry.

Jeff Cohen:

It's up to you with that right now. Would you put it on your eyes? Yes,

Paul Dawalibi:

I would actually in a second I would. What I what I wonder is that, you know,

Paul Dawalibi:

it's fascinating to me, because I believe in this future, right. And I believe the problems are not

Paul Dawalibi:

just software, we spend a lot of time talking. I think we've probably spent all our time talking

Paul Dawalibi:

about software. And we talk about blockchain and we talk about crypto and we talk about gaming,

Paul Dawalibi:

right? All essentially software products. But fundamentally, we've had little conversation

Paul Dawalibi:

around how do we how do you access the metaverse, right, what is the gateway? And other than, you

Paul Dawalibi:

know, meta slash Facebook's Oculus product and a few other sort of smattering of VR headsets.

Paul Dawalibi:

There's not a ton of discussion, right? There's Enrile that has some AR goggles. There's, you

Paul Dawalibi:

know, a few other small players here and there. But it's not like the technology problem has been

Paul Dawalibi:

solved, right? Like we're all talking about the metaverse as if it's, it's it's just a software

Paul Dawalibi:

problem that's coming tomorrow, right? We just as per our first story, we just throw more developers

Paul Dawalibi:

at it right? And it's all just going to happen. I think that's a beautiful thought. But until we

Paul Dawalibi:

have something like this contact lens. I don't know if we're truly going to have the capital and

Paul Dawalibi:

Metaverse where I'm very curious and intellectually curious is like, how do you power

Paul Dawalibi:

these things right like this. This is great this contact lens but

Jeff Cohen:

just put a charger in your belly but

Paul Dawalibi:

what powers this thing, right like and so there's like there's there's, I think tough

Paul Dawalibi:

hardware problems to solve still I love the idea of this future. I think, if I see whitespace, you

Paul Dawalibi:

know, we, you know, we always like to, I think talk about where there are investment

Paul Dawalibi:

opportunities where there are opportunities to make money. No question, you know, building

Paul Dawalibi:

software around the metaverse to that first story, there's opportunity. But I just think there's so

Paul Dawalibi:

much whitespace still around all the hardware that's going to get people on into that into that

Paul Dawalibi:

those worlds, right. What is that? What are the gateways, the physical gateways, the hardware

Paul Dawalibi:

gateways?

Jeff Cohen:

It's definitely the hardest problem to solve. And I, which kind of leads me to think that

Jeff Cohen:

there may be only a few companies on the planet that can solve it that are great at making

Jeff Cohen:

hardware at scale? Like, I don't know, maybe there's a reason why not so many people are going

Jeff Cohen:

after is because it is the harder part. Like I don't know, would you invest in a hardware

Jeff Cohen:

startup? That was look, would you invest in this company actually, right? If they came to you right

Jeff Cohen:

now, no idea what they're worth no idea, anything about this company? Besides this press release?

Jeff Cohen:

Would you? What valuation would you put on this company knowing only what we read? So

Paul Dawalibi:

just now, what I've learned as as you know, being a VC for many, many years, is

Paul Dawalibi:

where I don't want to be investing in the science, right? If the science isn't figured out, it's too

Paul Dawalibi:

early to be investing as a VC right? And yeah, I get it, maybe there are some funds that specialize

Paul Dawalibi:

in that, but they're structured for that, right? The expectations are different, the the risk and

Paul Dawalibi:

return profiles are different, the investors go in there. For the most part, most VCs shouldn't or

Paul Dawalibi:

most angel investors, most investors in general, shouldn't be investing in science. So like if this

Paul Dawalibi:

contact lens is still at Sinai stage, right? Like, there's still science to be figured out before you

Paul Dawalibi:

can actually make this. That's too early, right? Too early to be doing it. And and I don't fully

Paul Dawalibi:

agree that only the biggest companies can solve these problems, right? I think biggest companies

Paul Dawalibi:

will buy a lot of the small companies solving smaller problems that lead to sort of the bigger

Paul Dawalibi:

solution, right? Maybe in with his figured out how to embed, which is what it sounds like how to

Paul Dawalibi:

embed circuitry in a soft contact lens. And it's some other company that has figured out, you know,

Paul Dawalibi:

how can you power this from, you know, the movement of your eyelids or something like that,

Paul Dawalibi:

right. And it doesn't doesn't necessarily have to be a one all in one solution. But I think it's a

Paul Dawalibi:

piece of the ecosystem that is ignored. And I will continue to say that, because I think there's a

Paul Dawalibi:

ton of opportunity here in terms of the metaverse on ramp. I don't know if we're willing to like,

Paul Dawalibi:

purposely ignoring, but it can't just be Oculus, right. Like I just, I can't believe that that's

Paul Dawalibi:

going to be the only on ramp to the metaverse and it's not your browser, because then it's not true

Paul Dawalibi:

Metaverse, right?

Jeff Cohen:

I was gonna say it depends on your definition of the metaverse. It kind of gets if

Jeff Cohen:

you if you're thinking about web for web three, quote unquote, you don't necessarily need these on

Jeff Cohen:

ramps to get to the metaverse as we've sort of defined it, then then you do,

Paul Dawalibi:

Jeff, that's, that brings us to the end of this week's podcast. It flies by every

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